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I was also working with investment banks and those are the ones that are not commercial banking but they're arranging these big deals whether it's a leveraged buyout or or whatever and then the commercial banks finance a lot of that for a short period with at very attractive interest rates and it can be quite complex arrangements. Well, I give an example. This isn't with investment banking, but the bank I was in was involved with Chrysler way back in the 80s.

And Chrysler had gone through a lot of challenges financially. They were uh sustained by the government through that. And a lot of the loans were repackaged with in agreement with the banks. It was reworked and I had to wade through the complexity of all of that to put together a picture. and I consulted with the people at Chrysler and with other experts in the field. Um so anyways the the thing I would say is do your work thoroughly in that you know um so one thing as the economy community I would say is be professionally competent you know that there's no no shortcuts in that you