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uh it is an institution an operation that has a social dimension within it. It is a society of people and it's serving customers and other stakeholders and so the performance of each person is important. It's an important contribution in that process. Now, uh I would say a naive approach, which is what I'm critical of, is to say, well, this is a a person, this is a friend. We don't want to make life uncomfortable or we don't want to to demand that they do their part.

And so, it can become uh a haven for for not being efficient and competent. All right? And that's why I say I uh when I see a company ready to ask someone to move on, it says to me, okay, they're serious about this business. That doesn't mean to be uncharitable to that person. It's to help that person find another position, uh help them improve in in what they're doing, but each person is contributing to an overall project and the others depend on that. And and if we're uh doing things in such a way that's not uh asking for everyone's full contribution, it's at the expense of everyone else involved.