back in New York City, they were installing um or um putting together a a new subway station down on uh 30 Street. It was the first station that they did for the last 30 years and uh so it's more on the digital side because all the previous stations were more on the analog and they needed someone the contractors needed uh someone who's technical to lead on the technical side. They presented one and then another one and another technical experts.
I did not have obviously all the technical expertise in that. I was a junior. This was 15 years ago, 15 20 years ago almost. And so they presented someone to uh to the client which was MTA that was rejected, another expert that was rejected and then I think I was like the seventh uh applicant that they presented in there and um I had no I I did have no expectations. and they just asked me, "Can we present your your resume?"
And I said, "Uh, sure." Incredibly enough, they decided to pick me. Again, I think because I was just finishing that project, the previous project where I was involved in putting together some of the the agencies together and that I was more averse into the in the digital world since I was young back then. Um and uh one thing that was interesting there is that since I did not have any uh clout or the technical expertise like those other folks, I had to rely on those guys on those people who were experts and you know how how very um competitive it is.
Everyone wants to be that person because that provides you with visibility and they usually put down the other so that they could stay up there. Instead, I I did not I was the most junior person. And so what I did was I really went to those folks who were presented as the experts and I I asked them for their help and I asked them, you know, I I really don't know about this. Can you help me on this?
Can you help me on this? and they were happy to help me and as they helped me when on on the meetings I mentioned their names and I says you know this so and so helped me and this is this how we could do it right so again it's not a matter of what I knew but knowing where to get that information putting together those people that were There.